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Monga
As some of you may have seen in my OT post, I really wrecked my Envoy today....
I'll need to get a new one. I would go with another GMC Envoy, but I hated the gas mileage I used to get... On the other hand, it was a very well built vehicle. It saved me from what could have been possible fatal injuries (just came out with a few scratches and scrapes)... and I do want to have Onstar on my new vehicle.

Any suggestions? And where to start looking for the best deal?
I know of:

kbb.com
edmunds.com
carbuyingtips.com

Also if anyone here is happy with what they're driving and gets decent mileage, please post it here. I should be purchasing a new vehicle within the next 2 weeks.

Thanks a lot! smile.gif
tolik
Honda Pilot
deelhunter
Sorry to hear about your accident (I saw the other thread). The important thing though is that you are safe.

As for a new car, if you aren't too prone to sticker shock, take a look at the new Cadillac SRX. I haven't driven one yet, but heard some extremely positive things about it from a couple of people I know (not exactly close friends -- so can't ask for drives smile.gif ) who bought them recently. We are seriously considering one to replace our aging Nissan within a few months. They are a bit expensive -- MSRP for V6 ones seem to start in the 38K range (but there are some incentives). The big plusses are comfort, sporty ride, and safety (it's a bit lower than standard SUVs, so less likely to flip over even in an emergency maneuver, but tall enough to give a good view of the road). Personally, I like the looks too.

pic1 pic2 pic3 Interior
Short review


And yes, you can get OnStar smile.gif
soizie
We like our Honda Element.
BlueTDimly
I (heart) our Subaru Forester. Try one out, they are great (depending on why you feel you need an SUV). 27-29 mpg on the highway.
JDMnAR
Check with any organizations (employers, civic organizations, Sams Club, etc) that you belong to. Sometimes they can get you good deals on vehicles - fleet pricing or better. I know in the case of Ford, they have what they call X Plan - for "friends of Ford" - suppliers, business partners, etc. I have bought two vehicles on X Plan - no haggle pricing that is basically dealer invoice, plus any and all rebates and incentives currently available on the vehicle. I am fairly confident that GM has similar programs with their different brands.
dejavu
I would check safety ratings with the ones that have OnStar (which you said you want) and choose from them.

I have a Honda Pilot..it's great, seats 8, half the price of a Navigator.
I would also consider Toyota.

Also, maybe look for one that has a good rollover history.

We use the New Car Cost Guide at our Credit Union to find out the Dealer invoice prices. I am sure there are online places that also have this info.
TheJaguar
I have been driving a Nissan pathfinder for the past 3 months, and I can say that it is a very good vehicle. I bought an used 2001 LE version...
I get about 16 miles. Typically this milage consists of highway and city miles in the ratio 60:40.
breweyez
i have a 99 4runner with a V6 2WD...it gets 15-16 in town and 21-22 hwy..great vehicle, lots of power
Supernurse
Here you go Monga...
IIHS/HLDI
Safety wise check them out ... or
NHTSA

I have a 2001 Isuzu Rodeo LSE and a 2002 X5 3.0i SAV ....
Safety wise my BMW is great I use it for long drives.... smile.gif
Bought have pretty much same gas mileage.
Monga
What do you guys think of the Acura MDX? My DH likes it and so do I but it doesn't have On-Star... It does have Acura Total Luxury Care, which I have no idea what it is....or what it does....
dejavu
QUOTE(Monga @ 05-20-2004 - 03:35 AM)
What do you guys think of the Acura MDX? My DH likes it and so do I but it doesn't have On-Star... It does have Acura Total Luxury Care, which I have no idea what it is....or what it does....

it's the same thing as a Honda Pilot, only $10K more. wink.gif
and only seats 7.
dejavu
MDX article

quote from a post at HondaSUV.com forums:
QUOTE
As you could see from this article and many other articles in the media, the Pilot is usually on the top of everybody's list. Honda CR-V and Odyssey placed a high 8th group. The Honda Element is in the 7th group with the Jeeps.

Other traditionally designed trucks like (for example) the Jeep Liberty and Grand Cherokee are in the 7th group. The Jeep Wrangler is in the last 5th group.

All types of trucks in the auto show were rated like, Pick-ups, Vans, SUVs, Crossovers and Jeep types.

Lots of winners in hot truck race

February 12, 2004

BY DAN JEDLICKA suntimes.com

Quote:

Truck sales continue to soar, accounting for more than half the total vehicle market and causing more new trucks to be continually introduced.

The three top-selling vehicles last year were full-size pickup trucks from Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge, with Ford's F-Series leading the Chevrolet Silverado and Dodge Ram.

The Ford Explorer, Chevrolet TrailBlazer and Jeep Grand Cherokee sport-utility vehicles further underlined the popularity of trucks -- respectively finishing fourth, seventh and eighth in the 2003 Top Ten vehicle sales list. The four cars on the list almost looked lonely, surrounded by all those trucks.

Lots of minivans continue to be sold, and "crossover'' vehicles that combine features of cars and trucks -- and usually count as trucks on sales lists -- are becoming more popular and adding to truck sales.

Industry analysts say pickups and sport-utilities have become far more popular because they've been given carlike comfort and features -- and provide more utility than cars. After all, the traditional big station wagon is long gone. Minivans and crossover vehicles start out being very carlike.

Which are the best? Here are my ratings for new trucks on a 1 to 10 scale, with 10 being tops and no truck scoring below a 5. General base price ranges are given.

TEN:

Honda Pilot ($27,100-$33,000): Nicely designed mid-size SUV. Not much to look at, but a star in almost all other areas.

Acura MDX ($36,400-$42,700): Revised styling and more safety features enhance appeal of this well-equipped luxury SUV.

Chevrolet Silverado 1500 ($19,000-$39,500)
Chrysler Town & Country ($22,900-$40,200)
Dodge Ram 1500 ($19,400-$29,500)
Ford F-150 ($21,200-$35,600)
GMC Sierra 1500 ($19,000-$41,300)
GMC Yukon ($34,900-$42,100) and similar but larger Denali ($49,300-$51,000)
Land Rover Range Rover ($71,000)
Lexus LX 470 ($64,000)
Toyota Land Cruiser ($54,200)

NINE:

Cadillac SRX ($38,000-$46,300)
Chevrolet Tahoe ($34,200-$37,000)
Dodge Caravan ($21,100-$32,000)
Dodge Durango ($25,900-$34,300)
GMC Envoy ($29,000-$38,000)
Infiniti FX ($34,400-$44,400)
Lexus RX 330 ($35,000-$36,5000)
Nissan Pathfinder Armada ($33,300-$40,600)
Nissan Titan ($22,400-$34,200)
Toyota Highlander ($24,000-$31,400)
Volkswagen Touareg ($34,900-$40,700)

EIGHT:

Honda CRV ($19,000-$22,600): A roomy, refined, popular compact SUV.

Honda Odyssey ($24,500-$30,500): Popular minivan. Spacious, refined and nicely built, with decent fuel economy but a bulky appearance.

BMW X3 ($30,300-$36,300)
BMW X5 ($40,300-$51,500)
Buick Rainier ($35,300-$38,300)
Cadillac Escalade ($52,000-$66,700)
Dodge Dakota ($17,000-$24,600)
Ford Explorer ($26,400-$37,000) and similar Mercury Mountaineer ($29,300-$37,800)

Lincoln Aviator ($39,900-$45,300)
Nissan Murano ($28,000-$30,600)
Nissan Quest ($24,200-$32,200)
Toyota 4Runner ($27,000-$37,000)
Toyota Sienna ($23,000-$37,000)
Toyota Tundra ($16,000-$32,600)

SEVEN:

Honda Element ($16,000-$21,000): Funky, practical compact SUV aimed at youth market.

Jeep Liberty ($18,000-$24,500): Rugged and roomy, with attractive styling. Good off-road features cut into on-road comfort.

Jeep Grand Cherokee ($27,000-$39,200)
Chevrolet Colorado ($15,500-$28,000)
Chevrolet TrailBlazer ($27,300-$34,000) and similar GMC Envoy ($29,0000-$38,000)
Chrysler Pacifica ($28,800-$32,300)
Ford Escape ($18,700-$26,200) and similar Mazda Tribute ($18,600-$24,800)
Ford Excursion ($36,500-$50,000)
Ford Expedition ($32,000-$41,500)
Ford Ranger ($14,100-$25,700)
GMC Canyon ($16,000-$28,000)
Hummer H2 ($49,000)
Hyundai Santa Fe ($18,000-$25,500)
Isuzu Ascender ($28,000-$31,100)
Lexus GX 470 ($45,000)
Lincoln Navigator ($48,700-$55,800)
Mercedes-Benz M-Class ($37,300-$45,800)
Mitsubishi Endeavor ($25.600-$33.000)
Pontiac Aztek ($21,000-$24,000)
Pontiac Vibe ($16,600-$19,500)
Porsche Cayenne ($55,900-$88,900)
Toyota Matrix ($14,600-$18,800)
Toyota RAV4 ($18,300-$20,800)
Toyota Sequoia ($31,600-$44,200)
Volvo XC90 ($34,800-$41,000)

SIX:

Buick Rendezvous ($26,000-$29,000)
Chevrolet Avalanche ($32,500-$37,300)
Chevrolet SSR ($41,370)
Ford Freestar ($21,400-$32,900)
Mercury Monterey ($29,300-$34,800)
Izuzu Rodeo ($14,000-$22,400)
Kia Sorento ($19,000-$24,800)
Land Rover Discovery ($34,400-$40,300)
Land Rover Freelander ($25,400-$32,000)
Mazda MPV ($23,300-$28,200)
Mitsubishi Outlander ($18,000-$21,000)
Saturn Vue ($16,800-$23,600)
Subaru Forester ($21,000-$27,500)
Toyota Tacoma ($12,300-$22,500)


FIVE:

Chevrolet Astro and similar GMC Safari ($22,400-$25,800)
Chevrolet Blazer ($21,000-$27,000)
Chevrolet Tracker ($19,800-$22,600)
Chevrolet Venture ($21,300-$33,500)
Isuzu Axiom ($24,900-$30,500)
Jeep Wrangler ($16,300-$25,000)
Kia Sedona ($20,000-$22,000)
Nissan Frontier ($13,000-$27,000)
Nissan Pathfinder ($26,800-$33,700)
Pontiac Montana ($23,000-$31,000)
Suzuki XL-7 ($20,000-$26,000)

Link: suntimes.com
sarinne
Sorry to hear about your accident. sad.gif

The Acura MDX has the same chasis as the honda pilot. It is just an upgraded version. More luxury, features, etc. It's really nice. If you like the acura mdx, check out the lexus rx330.
dejavu
also, the Pilot is based on the Odyssey, so it drives more like a car than a truck, and some other SUVs. smile.gif
RobG
we have a grand cherokee limited and its nice too cool.gif
momalisa76
Hi! Hope I'm not too late! Sorry about your accident...

We bought our Toyota Sequoia 12 months ago and LOVE IT! We would DEFINITELY buy it again. Right now I'm averaging 16.1 MPG w/ about 2/3 city and 1/3 highway driving.

The ride is incredibly smooth and VERY quiet! DH falls asleep every time we get on the highway and then wakes with a start, afraid that *I'm* going to sleep! :lol: We have 4 kids, and it seats 8, so we can even bring grandma and grandpa along and still have plenty of room.

My BIL works for Ford, so we could have gotten an Expedition at his cost and still gotten the 0% or big rebates. We drove them both, and it wasn't even a contest! The Expedition felt so much more truck like and stiff (almost like driving BIL's dooley...). We still ended up w/ 3.39% and $6500 below sticker, plus a good value for our trade.

We moved up from a Plymouth Voyager to the Sequoia. For the first week or so I was in panic mode on city streets because it felt so much wider and taller (10 in ground clearance!! -eek- ). But I got used to it quickly and LOVE it!

We've put around 13,000 miles on it in 12 months, including one trip from DFW to Houston and 5 trips from DFW to OK City!

The only problem we've had is that the paint on the door handles wasn't sealed properly, so it started flaking off on the inside part where your fingers touch when you open the door. We got 3 of the handles replaced (only the driver's door was fine, go figure noclue.gif ).

I know it may be bigger than what you're looking for, but you should at least give it a test drive...
tonka
well after 20 years of fixing cars.
i personally would not buy a american car.
i do like the subaru But finding someone other than the dealer to fix it
can be tough since there not exactly your avg car.
and part can get pricy also.
like the others here.
spend they extra up front get a honda/acura
when its still going 15 years later.while the american car
is dead in the junk yard.and 20k in repairs later.
and resale value is way better.
i would pick toyota second but there gas milage is just avg
deelhunter
QUOTE(tonka @ 05-29-2004 - 09:02 PM)
well after 20 years of fixing cars.
i personally would not buy a american car.
i do like the subaru But finding someone other than the dealer to fix it
can be tough since there not exactly your avg car.
and part can get pricy also.
like the others here.
spend they extra up front get a honda/acura
when its still going 15 years later.while the american car
is dead in the junk yard.and 20k in repairs later.
and resale value is way better.
i would pick toyota second but there gas milage is just avg

I beg to differ. A lot has changed in 20 years I guess. I have had a Honda for 4 years (bought brand new) and extremely dissapointed with build quality -- numerous warning lights going off (four "check engine" episodes before the car hit 2000 miles) , annoying creaks, groans and ticks etc. These have been there since day 1. The dealer either cannot or will not fix these noises (the mechanic insists he can't hear some of the noises -- I know I don't have hyper-sensitive hearing). To the dealer's credit, they have been very polite and nice to deal with -- just can't/won't fix the issues bang.gif

Recently more issues have been popping up, but I'm more willing to accept those since the car is 4 years old now with about 50k miles (although that's hardly old).

I won't say I'll never buy a Honda again, but Honda/Acura wil have a higher bar to clear than other brands the next time I'm in the market for a new car (in a few months).
Monga
For some reason, I don't quite like Honda's as much. They seem to get stolen more frequently than other cars, and that makes me concerned about insurance costs... I have been looking at the Chevrolet Equinox. I don't expect to drive a car to the ground... just to keep it until the extended warranty expires (I suppose I could get a 100K miles warranty for this one). It seems to have 5 stars crash rating, and it also has On-Star. I think this weekend I may go and take a look at one up close... Does anyone have any thoughts on this vehicle?
tolik
QUOTE(deelhunter @ 05-29-2004 - 10:17 PM)
QUOTE(tonka @ 05-29-2004 - 09:02 PM)
well after 20 years of fixing cars.
i personally would not buy a american car.
i do like the subaru But finding someone other than the dealer to fix it
can be tough since there not exactly your avg car.
and part can get pricy also.
like the others here.
spend they extra up front get a honda/acura
when its still going 15 years later.while the american car
is dead in the junk yard.and 20k in repairs later.
and resale value is way better.
i would pick toyota second but there gas milage is just avg

I beg to differ. A lot has changed in 20 years I guess. I have had a Honda for 4 years (bought brand new) and extremely dissapointed with build quality -- numerous warning lights going off (four "check engine" episodes before the car hit 2000 miles) , annoying creaks, groans and ticks etc. These have been there since day 1. The dealer either cannot or will not fix these noises (the mechanic insists he can't hear some of the noises -- I know I don't have hyper-sensitive hearing). To the dealer's credit, they have been very polite and nice to deal with -- just can't/won't fix the issues bang.gif

Recently more issues have been popping up, but I'm more willing to accept those since the car is 4 years old now with about 50k miles (although that's hardly old).

I won't say I'll never buy a Honda again, but Honda/Acura wil have a higher bar to clear than other brands the next time I'm in the market for a new car (in a few months).

ahem, that's what you get for buying American made Hondas. the past four years the accord has been made in America, and that's the effect sad.gif

sad but true--I wouldn't put crappy American-market Hondas which are made in the USA as a standard for all Hondas, which are great cars.
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