That has good/very good graphic card, enough memory good/ very good speed. good /very good processor. No need for speakers, monitor keyboard and mouse. What would you get?


PS No Dell, I have had bad luck with dell.

Typically any new computer from Dell, HP, Acer, etc. will come with a keyboard & mouse.

Take a look at the HP or Acer models with a Core2Duo or Quad Core processor. I've had several people buy the HP models over the last few months and they've been very happy with them. I don't have specific model numbers.

One thing maybe to be aware of is that some of the Intel processors do not have VT technology (virtualization) which is required if you want to use XP Mode in Windows 7. If it's not important to you then don't worry about it. But, if you want to know, just post the model of the processor and we can look it up

Can you wait or do you need the computer now? Oct. 22nd is the general release date for Windows 7. Although a computer purchased today will likely qualify for a Windows 7 upgrade, why go through the hassle of installing it yourself. Get it already installed IMO.

Also, I've personally had some issues with 64-bit Windows. In fact yesterday I built a new PC for myself and installed 32-bit Windows 7. The only real advantage I see to 64-bit in a home computer today is the ability to access more memory, but the 3GB that 32-bit can address should be way more than enough.

I'll second the problems with 64-bit, but 3GB is nowhere near enough ram.

Win7 64 is a thousand times better than XP64 (which is junk), it actually runs smooth and ive been running 7100 release.

as far as only 3GB of ram, you could also use PAE mode and your OS will see more than that 3GB limit.

Ok thanks I am still looking at the three computers I posted about in my other post, I am leaning twoard the acer. All the computers I have seen have 64 bit how to get something else?

I am surprised you guys are not suggesting Lenovo. can you explain why?

Thanks.

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List of Intel processors supporting VT-x from Wikipedia:

Intel Core i7 (Bloomfield) CPU Pentium 4 662 and 672
Pentium Extreme Edition 955 and 965 (not Pentium 4 Extreme Edition with HT)
Pentium D 920-960 except 945, 935, 925, 915
Core Duo T2300, T2400, T2500, T2600, T2700 (Yonah)
Core 2 Duo E6300, E6400, E6320, E6420, E6540, E6550, E6600, E6700, E6750, E6850 (Conroe)
Core 2 Duo E7600, E8200, E8300, E8400, E8500, E8600 and some versions of the E7400 and E7500 (Wolfdale)
Mobile Core 2 Duo T5500, T5600, T7100, T7200, T7250, T7300, T7400, T7500, T7600, T7600G, T7700, T7800 (Merom)
Mobile Core 2 Duo SU9300, SU9400, SU9600, P7370, P8400, P8600, P8700, P8800, P9500, P9600, P9700, T8100, T8300, T9300, T9400, T9500, T9600, T9800, T9900 (Penryn)
Core 2 Quad Q6600, Q6700 (Kentsfield)
Core 2 Quad Q8400, Q8400S, Q9300, Q9400, Q9400S, Q9450, Q9550, Q9550S, Q9650 and some versions of the Q8300 (Yorkfield)
Core 2 Extreme X6800 (Conroe_XE)
Core 2 Extreme QX6700, QX6800, QX6850 (Kentsfield_XE)
Core 2 Extreme QX9650, QX9770, QX9775 (Yorkfield_XE)
Xeon 3000, 5000, 7000 series
Atom Z520, Z530, Z540, Z550, Z515 (Silverthorne)
all Intel Core i7 processors
Pentium Dual-Core E6300, E6500 and some versions of the E5300 and E5400*
Celeron E3000 series
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I'd expect maybe the easiest VT-compatible quad core to find presently at a decent price would be a Q8400 (maybe as an upgrade on a good priced Q8300 system?).




Another reason I'd personally wait until after October 22nd to buy in absence of an emergency is to save a few bucks by getting Win7 pre-installed. There is no doubt in my mind that all the big manufacturers are going to charge shipping -- probably excessive -- for the media for those "free" Windows 7 upgrades (I've already seen several media reports quoting HP's shipping charges over in Great Britan as 27 GBP per unit -- about $45 US at current conversion rates!). I wouldn't expect it to be that bad here, but I do expect most will charge $20 to $30 for those "free" upgrades.

HP/Compaq is charging $12.50 for the free upgrade disks for Win7 to US addresses.

In 2008, I placed orders for three different systems over the first half of the year for other people from Lenovo's web site at what I considered to be a decent (not killer, mind you, only decent) price. The first actually went through with no problems. However, the other two orders were simply never filled. It eventually turned out Lenovo had simply canceled them without even bothering to notify me. And, when I called, the attitude I got was "so what?" instead of an apology or even an attempt to help me fix the issue.

After the second time this happened, I simply dropped Lenovo from consideration of future orders. That attitude may be considered as business as usual in the PRC, but I don't have to put up with it since I have other sources. Dell and HP sell comparable machines in both price and quality, and I usually get decent customer service when I have a problem (it may be a teleservice center in India, but they do at least make an attempt to help me).

Finally, though I'm not usually political about such things, it does give me a sense of satisfaction that as an American I'm not directly supporting the Chinese government by purchasing from Lenovo.

Well, this is one instance where I'm glad to be wrong as I've been referring my friends and family members to HP recently more than to Dell.

There is not much difference in performance from 2GB to 4GB of RAM and the law of diminishing returns kicks in when a system has more than 2GB. Yes, Vista requires much more RAM than XP to function smoothly. 2GB actually seems to be a sweet spot. If a person is doing intense computing then the more RAM the better. Otherwise there's no benefit.

Concerning 64-bit computing, just about all consumer applications are 32-bit. Emulation is used when 32-bit programs run on 64-bit Windows (called Windows on Windows 64, or WoW64). 32-bit programs running on 64-bit Windows can only access up to 2GB of RAM, so there's no advantage to having 64-bit Windows with 32-bit apps Also, running 32-bit programs on 64-bit Windows can actually have a negative effect on performance.

Lastly, many older peripherals do not have 64-bit Vista drivers - hey, let's face reality, many don't have 32-bit Vista drivers either, but it's a safer bet that 32-bit drivers will be available than 64-bit drivers.

I won't talk anyone out of purchasing a 64-bit operating system. I just like people to understand what they're paying for and what the potential drawbacks are. To give 64-bit Windows a little boost, it seems this is where the future of computing is headed and 64-bit systems may be a bit more future prooof than 32-bit systems.

I'd recommend going with an Intel chipset over AMD, considering the difference in performance in dual core and quad core chips. (On similar computers, I notice a big edge on Intel's side.)

It may be a mental block with me. I view Lenovo as more for business computing notebooks rather than home computing desktops. I may be operating on old assumptions going back to the IBM days as I haven't looked into their recent offerings.

You can see the advantage of 64bit through security/encryption/math applications (i.e. AutoCAD or 3D rendering software).

However, for most folks, you won't really see a difference today.

Said that, I hit into 0 driver/software issues since upgrading my Lenovo X61T Tablet from Vista 32bit to Win7 64bit. Even though 32 bit applications run in emulation on a 64bit OS, there is pretty much no difference in performance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64#AMD64
x86-64 is backwards compatible with 32-bit code without any performance loss.

I can wait. I am still confused. LOL well that is not hard to do.

Thanks

not sure why you're anti-Dell (plenty of people are, but I've never had any trouble with the lots of Dell machines I've had) but the best bang for your buck would probably be Dell Outlet. Ive seen there (for around 700) a Core i7 920 w/ 6gb ram, 500+ gb HD, 4670 video card. That's crazy powerful for the money. I was tempted to get them myself, but couldn't justify the money.

Things at the outlet come and go (and if they're good, they go in minutes so you HAVE to be fast and ready to buy) but you can get great deals there.

Also, my personal experience w/ Win7 and 64 bit:

Upgraded my Dell 1340 laptop to Win7 64 bit. Everything worked perfectly - there was one missing chipset driver but it worked w/o it. Also needed a vid card driver update, but again, was working w/o it, just got a performance boost.

Upgraded my desktop (acer quad core machine) to Win7 64bit. Again, everything worked fine. It found drivers for everything with no trouble at all. Again had to update the video drivers from the basic Win drivers to actual nvidia package, but it was working (even Aero).

I want 64 bit cause I work w/ lots of photos (photoshop and lightroom both come in 64 bit). Currently have 2gb in the desktop and 4 in the laptop, but I'll be upping the desktop now that Ive got an OS that can use it.

Agreed I've gotten some scratch & dent machine there where you had to look it over very carefully to find the scratch. They come with the same warranty as new Dell machines. Heck, if a scratch is too bad, just have them send you out a replacement for the scratched panel under warranty!

I've purchased many dozens of systems from the Dell Outlet over the years. Many great deals can be found if you're patient and have a 15% coupon which come out often. IMO, the best way to shop the outlet is to first know what you want, the approximate cost when new, and use the search filter with your specs.

However, if you've had bad experiences with Dell, there's no problem with buying elsewhere. There's lots of competition out there and similar systems from manufacturer to manufacturer aren't too far apart in price.

They all use the same Malaysian parts.

steltek, thanks for the Lenovo info. did not know that.

we have had great luck with Dell. our household has 4 desktops and 3 laptops, all Dell, no problems.

I am anti dell because my son's lap top has had to be replaced three times, good thing I brought extended warranty. My other son dell only lasted 3 years or so. I have an e-machine (KNOCK ON WOOD) that has been going and going like the energizer bunny.