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Alan
I support the notion of having a standard set of skills people should learn before they start using computers and using the Internet. In a way I support the license idea too. What someone else does on a computer can directly affect my own online safety & privacy.

I would hope that someone that has any of my info on their computer(s) excercise caution and safety when online, but we all know that's not going to happen.

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Crime expert backs calls for 'licence to compute'
Ben Grubb | Aug 27, 2009 4:03 PM
But education should take back seat to product safety.

Australia's leading criminologist thinks online scams have escalated to such a point that first-time users of computers should have to earn a licence to surf the web.

Russel Smith, principal criminologist at the Australian Institute of Criminology said the concept of a "computer drivers licence" should be taken seriously as an option for combating internet-related crime.

"There's been some discussion in Europe about the use of what's called a computer drivers licence - where you have a standard set of skills people should learn before they start using computers," Dr Smith told iTnews.

"At the moment we have drivers licences for cars, and cars are very dangerous machines. Computers are also quite dangerous in the way that they can make people vulnerable to fraud.

"In the future we might want to think about whether it's necessary there be some sort of compulsory education of people before they start using computers," he said.

The Australian Computer Society launched computer driver's licences in 1999. It aimed to give users a basic level of competency before they started using PCs. But the growth in cybercrime has led to IT security experts such as Eugene Kaspersky to call for more formalised recognition of a user's identity so they can travel the net safely.

Last week Dr Smith sat in front of a Federal Government Inquiry into cyber crime and advised Australia's senior politicians on initiatives in train to fight cybercrime.

He said that education was secondary to better technology solutions.

"I think at the starting point of it you need manufacturers of both hardware and software to devise technology that makes it difficult or impossible for people to be defrauded," Dr Smith said.

"And the main development in that area, I suppose, is the use of biometrics where you have fingerprint scanners or some biometric linked in with the authentication processes on computers".

Dr Smith said that the use of chip and pin credit cards had been a "very effective development" in Europe.

"I think when that happens in Australia we will be much better off," he said.

The banks are "being kind"

Dr Smith also said that Australia's banks were "being kind" when they bore the costs of cyber crime.

"There's a code of conduct for electronic transactions and under that code if people suffer a loss through an electronic transaction and there's no evidence that they've been implicated in anyway, then the banks undertake to compensate that individual," he said. "Some people probably are partially responsible to what happens to them if they've done something very silly or negligent.

"What that really means is that the banks are suffering a loss and eventually that money will be put on the cost of running the banking system. Consumers probably end up paying at the end of the day."
garsh
Ugh. The last thing I want is the government controlling whether or not I can connect to the internet.
Licensing is a horrible idea.
dboy
I agree - no licensing. I would probably support a system though where if the ISP detects you've been infected w/ something (like loads of spam coming out of your computer, other detectable attacks) then they disconnect you until your computer is cleaned.
steltek
QUOTE (dboy @ 8-29-09, 4:02am) *
I would probably support a system though where if the ISP detects you've been infected w/ something (like loads of spam coming out of your computer, other detectable attacks) then they disconnect you until your computer is cleaned.


I totally agree with this view. It might even help if the ISPs charged disconnection and reconnection fees after the first incidence -- in my experience, there is no better incentive to encourage a person to learn about something than a financial penalty taking money out of their pocket.

Concerning licensing, in the words of comic Ron White -- "You can't fix stupid". I have a co-worker who spends her entire trip driving to and from work every day (over 100 miles, round trip to and from her home) constantly monitoring and posting to Facebook. She does this rain or shine, day in and day out. Though she is a smart person, it is obvious that having a drivers license doesn't make her behavior any less idiotic.

All computer licensing would do is eventually lead to an excuse for additional government taxation and loss of privacy for those of us who already practice safe computing.
Alan
ISP's actually do disconnect service when unusual activity is detected. Although I haven't come across it in a while, I've had client's Internet access disconnected due to an infected system spewing out thousands of email.
garsh
QUOTE (steltek @ 8-29-09, 8:59pm) *
All computer licensing would do is eventually lead to an excuse for additional government taxation and loss of privacy for those of us who already practice safe computing.
More importantly, it would turn more people into criminals. Using a computer without a license? You pay a fine. Repeat offender? Probably get jail time. Really, is this a behavior that you want to turn into a crime?
QUOTE (Alan @ 8-30-09, 12:04am) *
ISP's actually do disconnect service when unusual activity is detected.
The good ones do. I wish more ISPs were proactive enough to do this.
Krunk
I'm curious if they disconnect the service, if they're technically allowed to continue charging you for service.

Disconnecting the service may prevent the malware from spreading/attacking others, but it doesn't really inform the user. Does the ISP contact the user telling them their service is disconnected? or will they only tell the customer when they call in asking why their internet service is down.

I think instead of total disconnection, just have it return an error page stating that one of their computers that uses their internet connection has been infected and it'd be great if they can provide additional information (i.e. what they're infected with and how to clean it). Honestly, you can't really clean a computer with malware, unless you have a internet connection to download the malware removal utility.

Just my 2cents.

I also agree requiring a license to use the computer or the internet is way too excessive. Not quite the same, but should people be required to have a license to read books just because some books teach you how to make bombs?
Alan
I have never seen the ISP contact the end user to inform them the service is going to be or is disconnected. They'll tell the customer after the customer calls asking why the service is down.
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