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Alan
Is this a surprise to anyone?

I purchased a couple of used PC's off ebay recently. Although the listings stated the drives were erased I was still able to recover deleted data. The drives were not securely wiped, just formatted. I know one of the drives came from some medical firm in Utah.

Some advice - if you're going to sell or give away an old computer be sure to securely erase the data. Better yet, securely erase the data then destroy the drive by putting a couple of nails through the platters, then get a new replacement drive for the computer. You may trust the person you're giving the computer to, but what happens if they give the computer to someone...and so on. You may never know where it ends up and what might be recovered from the drive.


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Survey: 40% of hard drives bought on eBay hold personal, corporate data
Buyers found data on everything from corporate spreadsheets to e-mails and photos
Lucas Mearian

February 10, 2009 (Computerworld) A New York computer forensics firm found that 40% of the hard disk drives it recently purchased in bulk orders on eBay contained personal, private and sensitive information -- everything from corporate financial data to the Web-surfing history and downloads of a man with a foot fetish.

Kessler International conducted the study over a six-month period, buying up disk drives ranging in size from 40GB to 300GB from the United States and Canada. The firm, which completed its research about two weeks ago, bought a total of 100 relatively modern drives, the vast majority of them Serial ATA.

"With size of the sample, I guess we were surprised with the percentage of disks that we found data on," said Michael Kessler, CEO of Kessler International. "We expected most of the drives to be wiped -- to find one or two disks with data. But 40 drives out of 100 is a lot."

Kessler believes the drives were likely from computers sold to third-party resellers that dissassembled them and sold off the parts.
Kessler's engineers had to use special forensics software to retrieve data from some of the hard drives, but other drives contained sensitive data in the clear, having never been overwritten or erased. The data included personal documents, financial information, e-mails, DNS server information and photographs.

"The average person who knows anything about computers could plug in these disks and just go surfing," Kessler said. "I know they found a guy's foot fetish on one disk. He'd been downloading loads and loads of stuff on feet. With what we got on that disk -- his name, address and all of his contacts -- it would have been extremely embarrassing if we were somebody who wanted to blackmail him."

Kessler said his company specifically avoided buying drives whose sellers indicated that the drives had been erased.

Kessler International offered this breakdown of the kind of data it retrieved: Personal and confidential documents, including financial information, 36%; e-mails, 21%; photos, 13%; corporate documents. 11%; Web browsing histories, 11%; DNS server information, 4%; miscellaneous data, 4%.

"We were more concerned with searching for people's identification, which is what we found, but we were surprised by all the corporate spreadsheets and business finance records we found," Kessler said.

The forensics firm even found one company's "secret" recipe for French fries, Kessler said.

In recent years, hard drives have shown up on eBay that contain all kinds of sensitive data. In April 2006, Idaho Power Co. learned that drives it thought had been recycled had actually been sold on eBay with the data still intact. The Boise, Idaho-based utility had used the drives in servers; when bought on eBay, the drives still contained proprietary corporate information such as memos, customer correspondence and confidential employee information.

And in 2007, a supposedly new hard drive purchased on eBay was found to contain information from the Arkansas Democratic Party.

Charles Kolodgy, an analyst with research firm IDC in Framingham, Mass., said drives from PCs are mostly easily protected even after resale by using a full-disk encryption (FDE) product, but he said prior to selling an old machine, users should still format the drive and use overwrite tools just to be sure. "But if you have FDE you don't need to be as concerned if something falls through the cracks," he said. For larger hard drives, disks should be erased using industrial degaussers. As for the drives Kessler purchased from eBay, the company plans to use a U.S. Department of Defense-grade degausser and erase the data. It will then either throw out the drives or re-use the models with sufficient capacity.
garsh
QUOTE (Alan @ 2-11-09, 7:50am) *
Some advice - if you're going to sell or give away an old computer be sure to securely erase the data. Better yet, securely erase the data then destroy the drive by putting a couple of nails through the platters, then get a new replacement drive for the computer.

For individuals selling their personal machines, it's overkill to destroy the drives. Simply writing over all sectors of the drive one time is enough to stop just about anybody from reading data off of the drive. At that point, you would need to use special equipment that would read from the drive platters to look for remnants of magnetic charges from earlier writes. So unless you have secrets that a government wants, you don't have to worry.

There are many programs available that will completely overwrite a hard drive. I use a copy of WipeDrive that I got FAR many years ago. Doing a search, I found a free GPL program called Hard Drive Eraser that should work fine for most people.
Superman
Is it possible to leave the O/S and safely delete everything else? I need to sell a couple computers but I don't have the original XP disks.
garsh
QUOTE (Superman @ 2-11-09, 10:23am) *
Is it possible to leave the O/S and safely delete everything else? I need to sell a couple computers but I don't have the original XP disks.
Many of the "disk erasing" programs have an option to do that, but I don't know if you can find a free one that does it.

Even then, I think you have to make sure that all personal files are deleted. Those programs will overwrite all of the unused parts of the hard drive to make sure "undelete" programs cannot recreate deleted files.
Superman
QUOTE (garsh @ 2-11-09, 10:43am) *
QUOTE (Superman @ 2-11-09, 10:23am) *
Is it possible to leave the O/S and safely delete everything else? I need to sell a couple computers but I don't have the original XP disks.
Many of the "disk erasing" programs have an option to do that, but I don't know if you can find a free one that does it.

Even then, I think you have to make sure that all personal files are deleted. Those programs will overwrite all of the unused parts of the hard drive to make sure "undelete" programs cannot recreate deleted files.


Cool. Thanks, Garsh!
dasnufus
a good program to use to wipe an entire hd is dban.

http://www.dban.org/

for individual files, dban has a link to a program

http://www.heidi.ie/node/6


edit: forgot about killdisk.

http://www.killdisk.com/

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What’s new in version 5.0 (Windows application):

1. New Wipe function that wipes out all unused space on existing drives, not touching existing data.



There are differences between the free and paid ver.
Alan
QUOTE (dasnufus @ 2-11-09, 2:57pm) *
a good program to use to wipe an entire hd is dban.

That's what I use, then I'll run the drive through a data recovery program like GetDataBack to see if anything is recoverable. For any hard drive that had sensitive information I'll still destroy the drive though. IMO the cost of a new hard drive is a small price to pay for piece of mind.
cron
QUOTE (Alan @ 2-11-09, 6:57pm) *
That's what I use, then I'll run the drive through a data recovery program like GetDataBack to see if anything is recoverable.
have you ever actually recovered anything after using dban? Dban is what I used. Seemed to work pretty well. It's the commonly recommended program.

I don't see the point of physically destroying a drive for consumers after running dban.

(Maybe for corporate/government/military it might be easier to destroy than spending the money having someone run the program on cheap drives. Even then... i'm guessing there are commercial systems for those purposes that can process a lot of drives.)
ebytes
I just stumbled upon this program and started using it just now. Takes some time though, but worth the wait.

DBAN v. 2.2.6

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Alan
QUOTE (ebytes @ 10-12-10, 4:43pm) *
I just stumbled upon this program and started using it just now. Takes some time though, but worth the wait.

DBAN v. 2.2.6

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Been using it for years. There are other, similar programs, but I really don't prefer one over the other. As long as it gets the job done I'm happy.

For those not sure what DBAN is, it stands for Darik's Boot and Nuke. Essentially you create a DBAN boot disc, boot off of it and it will wipe the entire hard drive. It certainly can take a long time, but the computer does all the work. Like Ron Popeil says "set it and forget it" lol.gif Come back in a few hours and it will be done wink.gif
steltek
It is not just computers - anything with built-in storage can create a major headache.

For instance, the heads of a big government agency (allegedly the US Dept of Treasury, no less) nearly stroked out 6-8 months ago when they suddenly realized that the expensive photocopiers they had been leasing all had hard drives installed that were apparently filled to bursting with all sorts of sensitive personally identifiable information. Of course, they didn't figure this out until after the machines had returned after lease expiration and were sold and spread all over gods creation.
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