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cron
unless google bundles it with something of interest, i see this in the same space as the safari browser.

firefox and IE are good enough for me. How many people are really going to install 3 or 4 browsers on one system?
cron
http://www.google.com/chrome

official page is up for those interested
dasnufus
I would try it out but I'm scared to since its from google. Who knows what it tracks.
Miranda
QUOTE (cron @ 9-2-08, 11:52am) *
http://gears.google.com/chrome/?hl=en

official page is up for those interested


Can't download it. I click to accept the terms and nothing happens.

EDIT: http://www.google.com/chrome works
Miranda
Using it now. I have to say, it's pretty fast compared to FF (that's with my FF settings tweaked to make it faster). It not only starts up fast, but pages load faster too.

Just did a speed test and got these results:

Google Chrome:


Firefox 3:


It's kind of weird not having a search bar on the right side, but as you type stuff into the address bar, "search for whateveryou'retyping" comes up as an option under the autocomplete stuff.

I'll post more once I test it out some more.
garsh
QUOTE (Miranda @ 9-2-08, 3:25pm) *
Using it now. I have to say, it's pretty fast compared to FF (that's with my FF settings tweaked to make it faster). It not only starts up fast, but pages load faster too.
The real speedup is running javascript.

Try accessing something javascript-heavy (like gmail or google docs), or run some javascript benchmarks, & compare to FF & IE.
Miranda
Okay, I'm trying out this one:

http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed2007.php

Chrome:

Test Type Runtime (ms)
Array object 170
Date object 53
Error handling 12
Math object 37
RegEx object 61
String object 50
DOM 61
Ajax declarations 361
Total Duration 805

Firefox

Test Type Runtime (ms)
Array object 16
Date object 11
Error handling 52
Math object 49
RegEx object 117
String object 94
DOM 193
Ajax declarations 262
Total Duration 794

I couldn't get the test to run in IE. :o

Flock

Test Type Runtime (ms)
Array object 460
Date object 90
Error handling 91
Math object 160
RegEx object 330
String object 321
DOM 230
Ajax declarations 541
Total Duration 2223
Miranda
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khjrlI9dmlc

It's a neat & fast browser, but I miss my Firefox add-ons. tongue.gif I might use Chrome more if they add a feature similar to FF add-ons.
garsh
QUOTE (Miranda @ 9-2-08, 6:58pm) *
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khjrlI9dmlc

It's a neat & fast browser, but I miss my Firefox add-ons. tongue.gif I might use Chrome more if they add a feature similar to FF add-ons.
They'll have to add the ability to create add-ons. This is just a beta release.
WingsOverVA
QUOTE (dasnufus @ 9-2-08, 2:53pm) *
I would try it out but I'm scared to since its from google. Who knows what it tracks.

This is my concern as well.
Miranda
QUOTE (garsh @ 9-2-08, 5:30pm) *
They'll have to add the ability to create add-ons. This is just a beta release.


Yeah, I know it's just a beta, but if it ends up being like a lot of Google's other offerings, it might stay in beta for a loooong time. tongue.gif

Even Gmail is still in beta. lol.gif

QUOTE (WingsOverVA @ 9-2-08, 5:45pm) *
QUOTE (dasnufus @ 9-2-08, 2:53pm) *
I would try it out but I'm scared to since its from google. Who knows what it tracks.

This is my concern as well.


I'm not too worried. Google already has my info anyway from signing up with Gmail, AdSense, Google Checkout, etc.

And I've got nothing to hide, so I don't care what they track.

I'm uninstalling it for now and I'll try it out again later once they add more stuff to it. LOL @ the uninstall confirmation screen:

qwex
tried it today, the page rendering is (or seems) noticeably faster. sadly, without my firefox plugins it's not particularly appealing to me. hopefully google goes that route, I like the minimalist interface smile.gif
Alan
QUOTE (Miranda @ 9-2-08, 9:55pm) *
And I've got nothing to hide......

Pics! tongue.gif biggrin.gif
Miranda
QUOTE (Alan @ 9-2-08, 9:28pm) *
QUOTE (Miranda @ 9-2-08, 9:55pm) *
And I've got nothing to hide......

Pics! tongue.gif biggrin.gif


lol.gif
garsh
Comparing Chrome to other browsers: SunSpider Javascript benchmark & Dromaeo (video)

More javascript benchmarks: Speed test: Google Chrome beats Firefox, IE, Safari

A computationally-intensive javascript benchmark.
GTFan
FF3 with tweaks is already plenty fast for me and can be configured for the same minimalist look that Chrome sports, so as long as Chrome is missing add-ons that I can't live without (e.g. AdBlock Plus, FlashBlock, IETab) I'll take a pass. But I'm sure it will get better over time like all other Google apps.
kas
Until the folks at Redmond can build an OS that better control memory drain(s), this is a band-aid from wishful folks.

Early Review: Beta Version of Google's New 'Chrome'
garsh
QUOTE (kas @ 9-3-08, 9:37am) *
Until the folks at Redmond can build an OS that better control memory drain(s), this is a band-aid from wishful folks.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What is "memory drain", and how does an OS control it?
dasnufus
1st security flaw is out

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10031250-83.html
cron
this seems to be going around regarding the Chrome's EULA. I'm not going to read anything into it, but it is funny.

QUOTE
http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in
Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By
submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a
perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive
license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly
perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit,
post or display on or through, the Services.
This license is for
the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote
the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the
Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make
such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals
with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated
services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of
those services.

11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required
technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit
or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various
media; and (b ) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to
conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of
connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this
license shall permit Google to take these actions.

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.


Section 1.1 defines "Services":
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Your use of Google's products, software, services and web sites (referred to collectively as the "Services" in this document and excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written agreement) is subject to the terms of a legal agreement between you and Google.
garsh
QUOTE (cron @ 9-3-08, 2:49pm) *
Re: the memory use test at the end.
I believe that both Chrome and IE8 beta use separate processes for each tab. That would help explain why Firefox won that test. He should take that test a step further - open about 50 tabs, then close them all, then see how much memory each browser is using. That's where the multi-process architecture is going to help memory usage - dealing with memory fragmentation and memory leaks.
kas
QUOTE (garsh @ 9-3-08, 9:01am) *
QUOTE (kas @ 9-3-08, 9:37am) *
Until the folks at Redmond can build an OS that better control memory drain(s), this is a band-aid from wishful folks.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What is "memory drain", and how does an OS control it?


I learn long ago, to scale back what programs open on start-up. Plus, given the bloat ware that can be a PIA to remove, overall I like things to be simple. While I am not using an Office Suite app or graphic program, I know once open, MS OS just let then run in the background. I just would to see when a user exit Word, the process(es) under Window Task Manager close down completely.
BlueTDimly
** Posting this from Google Chrome browser wink.gif

B$ looks smashing in Chrome!
BlueTDimly
The ability to resize TEXTAREA elements is way cool.
cron
QUOTE (BlueTDimly @ 9-3-08, 3:58pm) *
B$ looks smashing in Chrome!
that's another positive thing about this browser. Since it's built on same framework as safari (Webkit), it should in theory render the page the same or better.
cron
looks like they're in the process of fixing the EULA as most people expected:
ARS: Google on Chrome EULA controversy: our bad, we'll change it

Although, another issue of privacy was brought up by CNET involving Google's Omnibox:
CNET: Google's Omnibox
Monga
uh oh, I don't like the "content license" agreement.
Sunlite
Some security info in case you didn't see it yet. smile.gif

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1843

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1847&tag=nl.e550
qwex
QUOTE (BlueTDimly @ 9-3-08, 4:00pm) *
The ability to resize TEXTAREA elements is way cool.


didn't notice that. you know where that would be useful? gmail tongue.gif
WingsOverVA
QUOTE
Be sure to read Chrome's fine print
Posted by Ina Fried

Moments ago, Google went live with its Chrome Web Browser. I immediately clicked download, but not before I saved a copy of its terms of service. I like to know what I am agreeing to.

Here are a few things that stood out to me.

1. Google reserves the right to automatically update and install Chrome.

This is becoming standard fare with much software these days, but worth noting.


"The software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the services."

2. Although you retain any copyrights to content you own and use in the browser, Google says it has a right to display some of your content, in conjunction with promoting its services. Here's their exact wording.


"By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the additional terms of those services."

3. Don't be surprised to see more ads.

Traditionally, it is Web pages and not the browser itself that serves ads. Google isn't saying it will change this paradigm, but its terms of service don't rule that out either.


"Some of the services are supported by advertising revenue and may display advertisements and promotions. These advertisements may be targeted to the content of information stored on the services, queries made through the services or other information.

The manner, mode and extent of advertising by Google on the services are subject to change without specific notice to you."


Also worth paying attention to are the settings when you install it. By default, Chrome will add all manner of shortcuts, so if you don't want it to do that, be sure to click "customize these settings." Of note, it does not make itself the default browser without a user agreeing to do so.
WingsOverVA
Not to mention:
QUOTE
So, there you have it: a tempest in a (chrome) teapot. Not that it's the only one; as Ina Fried of News.com points out, Chrome's "Omnibar" can also access all keystrokes a user types, and Google will store some of this information along with IP addresses.
garsh
As has already been posted, the "fine print" was a mistake. They used the same EULA that they use for their services. They plan on removing that section retroactively:
QUOTE (cron @ 9-3-08, 6:00pm) *
looks like they're in the process of fixing the EULA as most people expected:
ARS: Google on Chrome EULA controversy: our bad, we'll change it

cron
I installed this. i'm amazed at how small a footprint this has compared to the others. You can really tell it has much better performance.

There are still some minor quirks in the navigation i don't like, which would probably keep me from using it full time right now. I really have a feeling that this could be a great browser after a few more updates or another big release version.
_________________________

Side question....Do safari and chrome work pretty much the same? haven't tried safari out. I think they both use the same basic engine.
garsh
QUOTE (cron @ 12-2-08, 4:52pm) *
Side question....Do safari and chrome work pretty much the same? haven't tried safari out. I think they both use the same basic engine.
They use the same rendering engine (webkit), but different javascript engines.

Chrome has a faster javascript engine, but I believe the beta version of Safari is purported to have an even faster javascript engine.

I can't see replacing Firefox with Chrome for general use until Chrome starts supporting add-ons. I use it occasionally, but only on websites that I trust.
cron
wow....this is coming out of beta too

Google To Take Chrome Out Of Beta
BlueTDimly
This has to be the fastest _any_ Google product has ever come out of beta wink.gif
Miranda
Wow, that was fast! I thought it'd stay in beta forever like Gmail. tongue.gif
WillyNilly
Tried out the final version today. It is pretty snappy, but without the extensions like firefox (namely adblock!), I'm not going to make the jump to it yet.

It hung/crashed trying to import my firefox settings. First, it got stuck importing search settings so I ended the process and tried again with it off. Then it crashed trying to import my history. No problems with bookmarks or saved passwords, which to me are more important than the other two.
cron
Google Chrome Changelog

nice way to keep an eye on what's changing between releases
cron
Google Chrome 2.0 Pre-Beta

looks like 2.0 is moving forward at a solid pace. They list a lot of features on that page like:
QUOTE
* support for Greasemonkey scripts (or user-scripts). To enable this experimental feature you need to right-click on Chrome's shortcut from your desktop, select Properties and add --enable-user-scripts in the Target field. While you're in the Properties dialog, click on "Open File Location" and create a folder named User Scripts in the user data directory, where you'll need to manually save scripts.
cron
Google Chrome has a new beta

now actually in beta

QUOTE
The best thing about this new beta is speed — it's 25% faster on our V8 benchmark and 35% faster on the Sunspider benchmark than the current stable channel version and almost twice as fast when compared to our original beta version.
cron
Chrome 2.0 Released
QUOTE
Here are some improvements that you'll notice right away:
Improved New Tab Page: The most requested feature from users was the ability to remove thumbnails from the New Tab page. Now you can finally hide that embarrassing gossip blog from the Most Visited section.

Full Screen Mode: If you've ever given a presentation or watched a large video using Google Chrome, you might have wished you could use every last pixel on your screen for the content. Now you can hide the title bar and the rest of the browser window by hitting F11 or selecting the option in the Tools menu.

Form Autofill: Filling out your information in forms over and over again can be tedious. Form autofill helps by showing information you've previously entered into the same form fields automatically. If at any point you want to clear out your information, that's easy to do from the Tools menu.
And here are some improvements that aren't immediately visible, but will make web browsing with Google Chrome more enjoyable:
Increased Stability: Google Chrome is more stable than ever--we have fixed over 300 bugs that caused crashes since launch.

Increased Speed: Making the web faster continues to be our main area of focus. Thanks to a new version of WebKit and an update to our JavaScript engine, V8, interactive web pages will run even faster. We've also made sure that JavaScript keeps running fast even when you have lots of tabs open. Try opening a bunch of web applications and then running your favorite benchmark. You can read more about V8 in our JavaScript scalability post on the Chromium blog.
Miranda
I haven't tried Chrome since the very first release, but I think I'll install it again to see what's new.
cron
Probably one of the best browsers out there. Almost always stable. I'm slowly starting to use it for regular browsing. Very fast.

Unlike firefox, it actually blocks pop ups. One of my more recent firefox complaints. (I shouldn't have to install a plugin to block pop ups)
mydeal
I like it quite a bit too. I wish it had a plug-in system like FF.
princessd1616
Hmmmm, this is sounding like it deserves a try-out on my comp.
Miranda
I installed Chrome again last night. It seems to stream Hulu videos a lot better than Firefox for me. In FF, it usually halts playback to buffer at the beginning and sometimes after commercial breaks. In Chrome, there wasn't any of that - it just played smoothly all the way through.

I still have a ton of add-ons that I use in FF, so I probably won't be using Chrome as my main browser, but I do like the speed of it. Really noticeable difference, especially on a netbook.
princessd1616
For those that downloaded Chrome, did you choose this option?

Optional: Help make Google Chrome better by automatically sending usage statistics and crash reports to Google.
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