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The New Lows by The Airlines Industry


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Why not get rid of the overhead storage, make the airplane taller and have double decker seating. IMHO, those SWA TV ads where the ground crews hype bags fly free, scream we got a bunch of fat slobs working for us.

The latest from across the pond, has cheap consumers putting dead gramp in a wheel chair and attempting to fly back to Germany.
http://www.msnbc.msn...news/?GT1=43001

Spirit Airlines to charge up to $45 for carry-ons
Bigger airlines watching low-cost carrier’s move to see if customers will pay

Spirit Airlines will charge as much as $45 each way for a carry-on bag, adding a fee that bigger airlines have yet to try.

The charge will apply to bags in the overhead bin. Personal items that fit under the seat will still be free.

The new charge is $45 if paid at the gate, and $30 if paid in advance. It begins Aug. 1. Spirit says a new fare reduction means most customers won't really pay more to fly. It says having fewer carry-on bags will help empty the plane faster. Spirit also charges to check luggage.

Spirit mostly flies out of Florida to Latin America. Even though it's a minor player, bigger airlines are likely to watch to see whether customers are willing to pay for carry-ons.

http://www.msnbc.msn...om/ET?GT1=43001

Edited by kas, 13 August 2010 - 07:57 AM.

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Yuck!
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Those baggage fees are getting really stupid. I must say that though on my recent trip to Vegas that since both AA and Delta charge checkin baggage fees that the amount of carry on luggage was extreme that people were taking on. It seems to me they should just bring airline flight costs up a bit to cover the expenses if it is really a necessary expense

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dear airlines, please raise ticket prices ~$25 and include 2 free checkin bags. It will make for a more pleasant flying experience.

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Some folks' attitude is something for nothing, which goes along with they'll will eat #2 to save a dollar, according to a friend. O'Ryan loo fee has been brought up before and hopefully there ain't some guy on the flight who spent all his punts or quids at the pub.

Speaking of flying Johnny-on-the-Spot, some Mid-East clown decided to have a fag break in the bathroom and other passengers assume the worst. Ali or whatever his name joked he was trying to light his shoes on fire. IMHO, a size 15 boot up this fool butt and one of those nocotine patch over his mouth.

Ryanair CEO: 'We are serious' about a toilet fee

It may not have been a publicity stunt after all. Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary says the European low-cost giant will indeed start charging customers one pound (about $1.65) to use the toilets on its flights, according to The Guardian of London. There may still be some room to question his seriousness on the issue, as O'Leary did not announce a firm start date or other concrete plans.

Still, he did tell reporters the toilet charge is expected to be in place on Ryanair planes within two years. O'Leary adds that he's asking Boeing to look into putting credit-card readers on toilet locks for new jets. "We are serious about it," O'Leary is quoted as saying by the Guardian. O'Leary made the comments following the carrier's first full-year loss in nearly two decades.

O'Leary didn't stop there, taking the toilet idea one step farther. "He's now proposing ripping out two of the three loos on a Boeing 737 to make way for a further six seats, claiming passengers can learn to cross their legs on flights of only an hour or so," writes Alistair Osborne of the London Telegraph. The London Daily Mail quotes O'Leary as saying: "We are flying aircraft on an average flight time of one hour around Europe. What the hell do we need three toilets for?"

That's not all. Ryanair says it may also begin charging customers for sick bags, if they're needed. There’s still more. The Daily Mail says "one of (Ryanair’s) more controversial plans (now) under discussion is (to) introduce new baggage measures, which would see passengers replace baggage handlers to load luggage onto aircraft." That, of course, would help cut costs by eliminating baggage handlers.

As you might expect, the latter proposal hasn't gone over well with some airport officials. "I am struggling to understand this. They have not discussed this with us," a spokesman for London Stansted tells the Telegraph. "There are security and practical considerations to be taken into account,” the spokesman adds.

But, O'Leary did stand firm against the possibility of one new fee. The Telegraph says he "has ruled out proposals to charge obese passengers more for their flights because he regards the idea as impractical."


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Southwest still allows two checked bags for free; I'm flying with them in August :-)
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I rather trust Chucky from horror films, than another lib from the Empire State. Schumer going to bat for airline passengers, is like Barry telling Princess Pelosi to be a role model for the upcoming Earth Week.

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Senator will fight airline carry-on bag fee
Asks Treasury Department to stop levy that is ‘slap in the face to travelers’

U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer said Sunday he's trying to get the federal government to prohibit airlines from charging a fee for carry-on baggage, calling it a "slap in the face to travelers."

The New York Democrat is making a personal plea to the Treasury Department to rule that carry-on bags are a necessity for travel, which would make them exempt from a separate fee outside the ticket price.

"Airline passengers have always had the right to bring a carry-on bag without having to worry about getting nickeled and dimed by an airline company," Schumer said. "This latest fee is a slap in the face to travelers."

Schumer said carry-on bags often contain medications and other necessities, particularly for families. Carry-on fees artificially avoid higher ticket prices and the taxes applied to tickets, Schumer said.

The fee, however, is legal. The first airline to try it, Spirit Airlines, announced last week it would charge up to $45 for a carry-on, but that it was also reducing the cost of most tickets by $40.

Spirit CEO Ben Baldanza has said having fewer carry-on bags will help empty the plane faster, and the fee is intended to get customers to pay for individual things they want, while keeping the base fare low. Charging for checked bags but not carry-ons also means many passengers lug as much as they can onto planes.

There was no immediate comment Friday from the Treasury Department, which would handle the case because it's considered a tax issue.

Schumer wrote to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner seek to end what Schumer calls a loophole in law that allows the fees. Without action by Treasury, Schumer said he will introduce legislation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.../ns/travel-news
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I'd like to see how they would handle fees on carry-ons if someone is bringing a baby on board and they need the diaper bag with them....
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Might as well charge extra for the baby.

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Yes, that makes sense in their logic. Carrying a baby always makes you slow in a sense of moving out of a plane so they definitely want to charge you for carrying a baby.

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Learned this evening that Frontier Airline will allow passengers to bring along their pets for only a $75 fee each way. Given the critters must be kept in a container, no worry things turning into a South American or Russian airline junket.

http://www.frontiera...ng-with-pets.do

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If the majority of passengers want to fly in the morning, how will shaving a few minutes here and there by Frontier Airlines make a real different. The current FAA system forces planes to stack up on the runways and later in the air and what's worse is many of those air traffic controllers hired way back in the Reagan administration will soon be retiring.

New era in fees: Spirit charges for carry-ons

Bags bound for overhead bin incur $30 fee if paid in advance; paying at gate kicks fee up to $45


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The other day, a woman got the booted from a SWA plane, after she reported smelling booze on the pilot's breath. Now after the plane lands, a crew member hits the ground running. It remains me of an old SNL skit.

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=OEGO9ZF2

Upset flight attendant activates chute, goes home

Think you're having a bad day?

Police say a JetBlue flight attendant who got into an altercation with a passenger on a plane arriving in New York City and deployed an emergency exit slide so he could flee has been arrested.

They say Steven Slater was arrested on charges including criminal mischief and reckless endangerment following Monday's incident at John F. Kennedy International Airport. Slater faces up to 7 years in prison if convicted, according to WNBC.

Port Authority of New York and New Jersey police say Slater was working on a JetBlue Airways Corp. flight from Pittsburgh when he got into a heated argument with the passenger about baggage. They say as the plane was landing Slater used the public-address system to berate the passenger. They say he then activated the slide, slid down and went to his car.

The New York Daily News reported that he took over the intercom and called the passenger a 12-letter epithet beginning with m and then told everyone, "I've been in the business 28 years. I've had it. That's it."

The JetBlue Embraer 190 had just arrived at JFK from Pittsburgh.


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Sometime it's a good idea to check the local papers for details that the national media leave out. But, there are facts that just seem missing.

http://www.nypost.co...CZiZxGmo2xsU2TI
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A copy of today NY Post was held up on-air on the Fox News channel. Taking a chance of going to prison for a hissy fit, Stevie must be a drama queen.

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Without a doubt, terrorists must be laughing and tell themselves, we can cross over from Mexico and fly SWA, without any hassles. I knew one 14 year old that purchased a car in CA, got a ticket for bad tires in NM and drove back to MO.

Kids use baby-sitting money, take a plane ride
'I just wanted to fly,' 15-year-old Bridget Brown says

Three Florida children bought tickets at the airline counter and flew to Nashville, Tenn., on Southwest Airlines — unbeknownst to their parents.

Fifteen-year-old Bridget Brown had $700 in baby-sitting money saved and asked a 13-year-old friend where he wanted to go.

The friend, Bobby Nolan III, suggested Nashville.

"I just wanted to fly and I had the money," Brown said.

Together with Brown's 11-year-old brother, the three took a taxicab to Jacksonville International Airport and bought the tickets at the counter.

"He said OK and told us how much it would be and then we paid him," Brown said. "Then he put the flight things on our bags and then he said you better run because you might miss your flight."

The children say no one asked them for identification at airport security.

Southwest Airlines said it did nothing wrong according to policies, and that an 11-year-old is allowed to fly with anyone 12 or older.

"Although passengers ages 12-17 are not considered 'legal' adults in the U.S., they may book a ticket and travel unaccompanied — without adult supervision — at any time of day," states the young traveler policy on Southwest's website. Passengers 12 and older are not considered unaccompanied minors.

Kids between the ages of 5 and 11 are considered unaccompanied minors when "traveling without an accompanying passenger age 12 or over," the carrier's website policy explains.

The airline doesn’t have specific figures on the how often children purchase tickets, but Southwest spokesperson Ashley Dillon said the incident in Jacksonville “didn’t raise a red flag.”

“This has been our policy for awhile now, and most other airlines have the same policy about minors, so we don’t plan to change it,” Dillon said.

The children called their parents from Nashville and immediately flew home.

The airline said it refunded the costs of the tickets.


http://www.msnbc.msn...news/?GT1=43001
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While I'll never consider an animal a member of the family, Delta management might have the public wondering what other ways the airline is pinching pennies. IMHO, the company should refund the tix cost, pay the vet bill and buy the freezer at fair market value. Unless Snickers is a stud cat, there's no $2900 lost that I can see.

Owner of dead kitten offered air fare plus $50
Snickers showed signs of hypothermia upon arrival in Connecticut last month

The owner of a hairless kitten that died after being shipped in the cargo hold of a Delta flight says the airline is only offering to refund her air fare plus $50.

Snickers froze after flying to Connecticut from Utah last month. A door latch malfunctioned in 10-degree weather and it took nearly an hour to unload her.

Heather Lombardi says Delta Air Lines Inc. initially told her she would get $2,900 for the cat and $290 for airfare, plus reimbursement for vet bills and even a freezer where she's keeping Snickers until the ground thaws.

Lombardi said Tuesday that Delta changed its offer to air fare plus 50 cents a pound, although there's a $50 minimum.

Delta spokesman Anthony L. Black describes the offer as a standard cargo reimbursement and says talks are ongoing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.../ns/travel-news

http://www.msnbc.msn...ns/travel-news/
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Again, flyers are getting mugged by Spirit Airline and no weapon was necessary. Experience tells me that a restuarant that pushes Early Bird Specials for senior citizens, usually cut portion sizes with the price.

Spirit Airlines adds new fees for luggage

Last-minute planners beware: Spirit Airlines has added fees for travelers who wait to pay for carry-on or checked luggage within 24 hours of departure.

Calling its previous bag fees an "Early Bird Discount," the airline will now charge travelers who pay for checked or carry-on bags within 24 hours of departure online an extra $5 and an extra $10 for travelers who pay over the phone.

"With this updated policy, fees remain the same for customers who pre-purchase their bags at least 24 hours in advance via spirit.com or through reservations," said spokeswoman Misty Pinson via e-mail.

"We are continuing to pass savings along to our customers who choose self-service options vs. waiting until they get to the aiport to conduct their transactions."

Fliers who pay for carry-ons early -- and aren't members of the airline's fare club -- pay $30 for a carry-on that won't fit under the seat. Spirit became the only U.S. carrier to charge for carry-on bags when it instituted new fees in April 2010.

Paying for carry-on bags at the airport now will cost $40 at the airport check-in counter or kiosk and $45 at the gate.

The changes are in effect for travelers who booked on or after March 24.

Spirit Airlines also has dropped its threshold for overweight checked bags from 50 pounds to 40 pounds.

So if your bag weighs between 41 and 50 pounds, you'll pay an additional $25 on top of whatever you paid to check the bag. Checked bag fees start at $28 for the first bag checked online or by phone -- 24 hours in advance -- for travelers who aren't part of the airline's fare club. The new weight limits went into effect for travel after February 1, Pinson said.

Other U.S. airlines start charging fees for overweight luggage at 50 pounds.

Bags weighing more than 50 pounds on Spirit incur $50 to $100 overweight baggage fees, depending on weight.

The new luggage weight limits are more in line with international carriers in Europe and Asia, Pinson said.

http://articles.cnn....gs?_s=PM:TRAVEL
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Recalling the lawsuit against the D.C. dry cleaner, wtf is with lawyers and bs legal matters. Life ain't fair, except some lawyers seem to want the court to given then their pound of flesh. On a more serious note, Mikey shows he is a cheap a$$ by bringing his own head phone and whining later he use 'em. Lets be honest, where once flying somewhere was usually a pleasant trip for most folk, now the time spent at the airports and in the cabin is viewed as another ring of Hades.

A convience store where I stoped to get a refill of Coke Zero @$.52 won't allow a credit card charge under five dollar. An employee told me the owner pay the same fee each time someone use a credit card and the minimum was placed at that amount. Well airlines aren't smart to do a tranaction each time someone wants a drink or a pair of headphones. Bars avoid the headaches by taking someone credit card and doing the actual billing when the customer want to leave.

Isn't money good for anything any more? Airline sued over cashless cabin policy

Being jammed into a plane for 10 hours can certainly feel like being stuck in a foreign country. But that's not the reason Michael Rosen's U.S. dollars were rejected on a recent flight from Hawaii to New York. As many travelers know, dollars — the physical kind — are useless once you board an airplane in most cases. You'll need plastic to buy a headset, a drink or a snack. Rosen, a New Jersey lawyer, thinks that's discrimination, so he's filed a lawsuit aimed at forcing airlines to treat greenbacks, and consumers who carry them, with more respect.

A New Jersey state judge will hear arguments Friday to decide whether the case has any merit. Rosen is likely to get support from consumers who seem lodged in an endless battle with the airline industry, but he faces an uphill battle in court.

The case began with a situation that captures a typical traveler's nightmare: stuck on a 10-hour flight with no form of distraction and no way to buy a drink or a snack. Rosen's attorney, Nathan Kittner, said Rosen few from New York to Hawaii on Continental Airlines last year and purchased a headset with plastic. He was told the headset would work on all future Continental flights. So when he boarded his return flight, he checked his credit cards in his luggage and took the headset with him. He got bad news as soon as he sat in his chair.

"It wasn't compatible with that airplane," Kittner said. "Now he's stuck for 10 hours." Rosen tried to pay $3 in cash to get a new headset, but the flight attendant wouldn't budge. No cash.

"This is not a small thing," Kittner said. "It was a very long flight."

Most airlines went to cash-free cabins two years ago. Kittner thinks it's just another example of the industry forcing consumers to suffer through poor service.

"They feel like the airline deregulation act gives them enough authority to make their own rules," he said. "It doesn't seem they should be allowed to tell a passenger, 'Sorry, we can't take cash.' "

There are practical reasons airlines don't want to handle coins and bills at 30,000 feet. Flight attendants hate making change, and cash accounting is a hassle.

"But that shouldn’t be the consumers’ problem; that's their problem," Kittner said. "We hope to send a message to the airlines."

Rosen's case includes several claims — Kittner thinks Continental broke a contract with his client when the initial headset failed to work on the second flight, for example. The lawsuit also alleges false advertising and violations of the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act.

On Friday, an Essex County judge will hear arguments on Continental’s motion to dismiss the case. Continental didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

But the case raises important larger issues. Should consumers who don't have credit cards be barred from in-flight purchases? Some don't hold plastic for philosophical reasons; others may have poor credit and have been denied credit cards.

The airlines are engaging in "unlawful discrimination against individuals who do not physically possess a debit or credit card," the lawsuit claims, according to North Jersey News.

Consumers who use cash already face some tough treatment. Paying in cash can cause added fees to kick in (see "Paying cash? That'll cost extra"). As firms experiment with blossoming new alternative payment mechanisms, such as cell phone payment, the potential for even more discriminatory policies will only increase. Starbucks, for example, now employs a smartphone payment system that serves as a digital gift card for iPhone and Android users. What if Starbucks began refusing all other payment mechanisms? What if other stores began requiring payment through Google's Android phone? That's farcical, of course, because market forces wouldn’t allow it; consumers would just spend their money at the nearest competitor's coffee shop. Few businesses can afford to turn down money.

But this competitive element makes the airline situation unique, Kittner argued. Consumers who don't like Continental's cashless cabins can't exactly get off the plane and spend their dollars at a competitor.

"You are pretty much a captive audience on the plane," he said.

The basic argument against cashless cabins is one you've probably already heard: that "U.S. coins and currency are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." The language comes from the Coinage Act of 1965, but it has roots that reach back much further in dollar history.

The clause seems to indicate that someone owed a debt must accept greenbacks as payment. The Treasury Department, however, says otherwise — and with a clarity rarely found in U.S. regulations.

"There is ... no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services," Treasury says on its website. "Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a state law which says otherwise.”

There are plenty of situations in which private businesses — and even government entities — dictate the way consumers can pay. Businesses can refuse to accept bills that are larger than $20, for example. Buses can accept only change for automatic fare collection machines. Plenty of parking garages or rental facilities require credit card payment.

Of course, the Treasury's clear-cut policy may not prevent a New Jersey state judge from finding a violation of the state's consumer protection law — or at least entertaining the larger case — and any kind of victory for Rosen may force airlines to reconsider their policies. He’s considering filing a class-action lawsuit over the cash-in-cabin policies.

At a minimum, the legal battle might inspire airlines to give flight attendants a little more flexibility when dealing with petty cash issues.

"All they had to do was be a mensch about it — say, 'We see you already bought a headset. Here's another one.' And this all could have been avoided," Kittner said.

http://redtape.msnbc...ss-cabin-policy
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No word if the toilets backed up. However, sitting next to a guy who sounds like Dell tech support for nine hours, might have you doing a certain scene from the movie, Airplane. That letter of apology and a few pounds should get one a BK Whopper at Heathrow.

Passengers stuck on plane for nine hours at Gatwick Airport

Passengers aboard an Air India flight were stranded on the tarmac at London's Gatwick Airport without food for nearly nine hours on Sunday, the BBC reports.

Flight 131 from Mumbai was due to land at Heathrow at 7:30 a.m. but was diverted to Gatwick due to heavy fog. The plane, after a 10-hour flight, landed at Gatwick about 8 a.m.

An Air India employee told the BBC that "creeping delays" led to the long wait.

"The plane was diverted and we were given

"The plane was diverted and we were given to understand that the weather would clear in one and a half hours.

"It was one and a half hours and they would be back in 90 minutes, so it didn't make sense to deplane the passengers at that time.

"Then at around 11.30am, we heard the slot was only in the afternoon, at 1.30pm.

"By that time, we decided the crew was not supposed to operate beyond a certain time, so we rushed a crew from Heathrow. It took them time to reach Gatwick."

Meanwhile, The Guardian reports that police were called in to ease tensions as the approximately 200 passengers, forced to remain on the plane despite being just a few hundred yards from the terminal, grew increasingly frustrated.

"Everyone was very hungry and there was no sign of any food," passenger Jas Johal told Agence France-Presse.

"Why not let us deplane at Gatwick," tweeted BBC news producer Rahul Joglekar, who was aboard the flight.

Gatwick is about 45 miles — an hour's drive — from the flight's original destination of Heathrow.

A spokeswoman for Gatwick Airport told the BBC that Air India refused to let the passengers disembark.

"If they had allowed them off, the passengers would have come into the terminal. We would have helped with their welfare.

"We did everything we could while they were at Gatwick. We can't do anything with the passengers if they don't disembark."

The flight, with a fresh crew aboard, was finally given permission to take off for its final destination of Heathrow, where it landed just after 5 p.m. Upon arrival, Air India reportedly gave travelers a letter of apology.

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The church where I spent my youth attending and going to school was ran by a priest who most would call old German. It was his way or a family could hit the highway, which my parents later did. Well if you has screamer or crier in diapers, who were expected to attend Mass in a room (Cry Room)that was (seperated) off in the back. Forget if you were disabled, given one was required to walk up two flights of stairs. In time, the interior was remodel to include deleting the Cry Room, an exterior elevator installed, except the parish was closed and later the building and property were sold off.

Middle Seat: Flying With Little Children? Go to the Back of the Plane

Parents are wailing over seating systems that split up families.

Babies on airplanes. It's enough to make parents — and all the passengers around them — cry.

Parents are complaining of airline seating policies that create "baby ghettos" in the back of planes. Even worse, families are increasingly split up, leaving small children in middle seats in the company of strangers unless passengers arrange seat swaps on board.

Michael Lyon booked seats together for his family for a trip from Washington, D.C., to Bangkok on United Airlines in July and checked his reservation frequently to make sure the seat assignments didn't change. But when he checked in, all three had been split up, and his 6-year-old son was moved to the back of the wide-body plane by himself for the 13-hour trip.

A United gate agent told Mr. Lyon there were no seats and nothing could be done. He protested, ultimately getting a supervisor who found two seats together so he could sit with his son. "Not only did the United gate staff not seem to understand the importance of having him next to us, they were hostile," Mr. Lyon said.

Even during peak holiday travel periods, adults, of course, outnumber children on planes, and airlines have to balance the needs of parents with other passengers whose nightmare is a long, crowded flight next to a noisy child.

Why families get split up

Several factors are at play. First, many seats on flights are reserved for elite-level frequent fliers or full-fare business travelers. Routinely full flights have less seat-assignment flexibility. Also, airlines are increasingly selling choice seat assignments for extra fees, an expensive option for families. And bulkhead rows at the front of coach cabins that used to be ideal for traveling with infants, offering more privacy for diaper changes and more space for restless toddlers, now have to be reserved for passengers with disabilities. As a result, families often end up separated or at the back of the plane.

In Mr. Lyon's case, United says its systems are set up to keep groups together, but his seat assignments may have been altered because of a change in aircraft for his trip. After he complained, including sending United the names of passengers who witnessed the confrontation, the airline said it conducted an investigation and apologized to him.

Baltimore mom Teresa Toth-Fejel flies AirTran occasionally and has been told by airline agents that if she wants seats together with her kids — ages 1, 2 and 6 — she should pay extra for reserved seat assignments. She sets alarms for 24 hours before departure to check-in online. "I'm so freakishly worried about it," she said.

When that doesn't work, she has been able to take the free seat assignments in different rows and trade with willing fellow passengers—who likely don't want to be caring for a toddler on their own.

"I feel like it's discrimination against families. For us, it is not an option to not be by my 2-year-old," she said.

Summer Smith Hull, who blogs about frequent-flier miles for families, checks over and over for seat assignments if she doesn't get them right away, grabbing seats that open up when travelers cancel or get upgraded to first class. "The No. 1 way you set yourself up for trouble is if you go to the airport without seat assignments," she said. A recent flight didn't have seat assignments, so she kept calling the airline until she finally got seats.

Adding to the complexity: Several airlines, including American and United, don't let travelers add children flying free on a parent's lap to reservations online. Instead, they must call the airline or get an airport agent to add a lap child to their reservation. Southwest Airlines requires taking a lap child to a ticket counter with a birth certificate on the day of travel to verify the child is younger than 2 years old.

The plane's configuration can also affect placement. On smaller regional jets, for example, some rows don't have an extra oxygen mask to be used on an infant traveling on an adult's lap. That means someone who reserved a seat and has a lap child must be relocated, splitting up a family. (SeatGuru.com has information about location of oxygen masks.)

For their part, airlines say they try to keep families seated together, encourage gate agents to rearrange seating to accommodate families and still provide some kid-friendly amenities. While microwave ovens have been removed from many planes since airlines no longer serve hot food, carriers say flight attendants still warm bottles with hot water. Wide-body jets still have diaper-changing areas.

Software aims to keep families together

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Middle Seat: Flying With Little Children? Go to the Back of the Plane (continued)
Summer Smith Hull, who blogs about frequent-flier miles for families, checks over and over for seat assignments if she doesn't get them right away, grabbing seats that open up when travelers cancel or get upgraded to first class. "The No. 1 way you set yourself up for trouble is if you go to the airport without seat assignments," she said. A recent flight didn't have seat assignments, so she kept calling the airline until she finally got seats.

Adding to the complexity: Several airlines, including American and United, don't let travelers add children flying free on a parent's lap to reservations online. Instead, they must call the airline or get an airport agent to add a lap child to their reservation. Southwest Airlines requires taking a lap child to a ticket counter with a birth certificate on the day of travel to verify the child is younger than 2 years old.

The plane's configuration can also affect placement. On smaller regional jets, for example, some rows don't have an extra oxygen mask to be used on an infant traveling on an adult's lap. That means someone who reserved a seat and has a lap child must be relocated, splitting up a family. (SeatGuru.com has information about location of oxygen masks.)

For their part, airlines say they try to keep families seated together, encourage gate agents to rearrange seating to accommodate families and still provide some kid-friendly amenities. While microwave ovens have been removed from many planes since airlines no longer serve hot food, carriers say flight attendants still warm bottles with hot water. Wide-body jets still have diaper-changing areas.

Software aims to keep families together

American recently installed new software that attempts to seat together families with children 12 years and younger who don't have seat assignments 72 hours before departure, significantly ahead of most other customers.

Other carriers suggest families should pay for seat assignments to make sure they stay together since it's harder to get seat assignments in advance, free of charge. US Airways has no restrictions on families reserving seats in advance, but "we do encourage families to take advantage of Choice seats to ensure seating together," a spokesman said.

Overall increased stress of travel due to luggage charges and security procedures has made travelers less tolerant of kids, some parents say.

"Sometimes other passengers are willing to help you out. But others look at you like you are the devil for bringing a child on an airplane," said Alecia Hoobing, who works for a technology company from her home in Boise, Idaho. The evil eyes are more acute when families upgrade to first class, she and Ms. Hull agree. Malaysia Airlines decided this year to ban babies from first-class cabins of its Boeing 747 jets and next year in its new Airbus A380 super-jumbos because of passenger complaints of crying children in the expensive seats.

Ms. Hoobing thinks the hardest part of travel with kids is boarding. Airlines typically no longer let families with small children board first on flights. Instead, they often come after first class and top-tier frequent fliers. Kids and parents — lugging car seats, diaper bags, videogames and toys — clog the aisles and delay general boarding. Though airlines provide leniency, such as exempting diaper bags for carry-on bag limits and waiving checked-baggage fees for car seats and strollers, they have tightened restrictions.

On June 1, for example, American stopped letting parents check jogging strollers, non-collapsible strollers or strollers heavier than 20 pounds at the gate. United already bans gate-checking strollers that don't collapse.

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Okay, if a person can only waddle around, I will stare. But, I'm not in the crowd that judge, usually with contempt, or make comments about others that carry around a few extra pounds. What does matter is if the airplane makes an emergency landing, whether a 400 lb. man or woman can make it out in a safe and timely fashion or will others be in danger.

Oh by the way, I really don't want to hear your whining and *itching that a B&M doesn't have an electric cart available. First, you ain't smart enough to shop when there are very less shoppers. The staff has more pressing duties then, dropping everything and catering to folks who disability is due to being overweight. So live with a limit number of electric shopping carts that must be recharged occasionally and handicap spaces that are grabbed by those who must have a nana who left that blue or red 'handicap' placard behind on the passenger seat. ;)

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WTF, while women are told their 'casual' dress is not okay for travel on flight, some men assume there are no rules. Only watching illegal child porn in private is a sick short eyed perv saved from being tortured by other inmates. I wouldn't blame other passengers from taking the device this professor was watching this crap on and severely beating the egghead until it broke into pieces.

Utah professor arrested on child porn charges

A University of Utah professor pleaded not guilty Monday to charges that he viewed child pornography while flying to Boston.

Grant Smith, 47, a professor of materials science and engineering, will be held on $75,000 cash bail until his next court date, which is Dec. 27.

Smith was arrested at Logan International Airport Saturday. Massachusetts State Police took him into custody, and he was initially held on $15,000 bail, according to Trooper Todd Nolan of the Massachusetts State Police.

The Boston Globe reported that prosecutors told the court the images were of girls mostly ages 8 to 10, engaging in simulated sexual acts. The youngest girl was about 6.

Smith was sitting in first class and had his laptop open. A man sitting behind Smith saw "disturbing images" that appeared to be child pornography, Nolan said. The passenger notified the flight staff, who asked Smith to close his laptop. The Boston Globe reports that prosecutors said Smith allegedly attempted to erase the images from the laptop, which was purchased with a university grant. The passenger sent a text message to his son about what he saw, and the son then called the Massachusetts State Police to report the incident.

Troopers were waiting at the airport when the 4 p.m. flight landed. Both Smith and the witness willingly spoke to police, Nolan said. Smith allowed police to look at his laptop, and after troopers saw the images, they requested a full search warrant.

He was booked into jail on suspicion of possession of child pornography.

According to a statement from the University of Utah, Smith has been placed on administrative leave pending a criminal investigation.

"Professor Smith deserves a full and fair investigation into this issue," the statement said. "The University of Utah, however, has no tolerance for the viewing or possessing of child pornography by any of its employees, regardless of where it occurs."

If the allegations against Smith are discovered to be true, the university will "immediately seek Professor Smith’s dismissal," the statement said.

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Yes, you have to ask, did Randy ever put a few away before climbing into the cockpit? On the other hand, airports and flights have turned into zoos and can you blame the poor guy.

Babbitt resigns as FAA chief after weekend arrest

Federal Aviation Administrator Randy Babbitt resigned Tuesday, three days after he was arrested on a drunk driving charge near his suburban Washington home.

In a brief statement released to the media, Babbitt said he had submitted his resignation to his boss, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, and that LaHood had accepted it.

Babbitt, 65, a former airline pilot and president of a major pilots' union, said serving as FAA administrator had been "the highlight of my professional career," adding, "But I am unwilling to let anything cast a shadow on the outstanding work done 24 hours a day, 7 days a week by my colleagues at the FAA."

His statement made no mention of his arrest, although it was clearly the event that precipitated his action.

Earlier in the day, Secretary LaHood told reporters he was "very disappointed" that he had learned about Babbitt's Saturday night arrest only after the Fairfax City, Virginia, police department issued a news release about the incident.

In a statement released just minutes after Babbitt announced his resignation, LaHood called Babbitt a "dedicated public servant and outstanding leader."

"I'm proud to say that we have the safest aviation system in the world, and thanks to Randy's stewardship, it became safer and stronger," LaHood said. "He worked tirelessly to improve relations with the labor community and bolstered employee engagement among his 49,000 colleagues at the FAA."

Fairfax City police arrested Babbitt late Saturday night after they allegedly saw Babbitt driving on the wrong side of the road. The police put out a news release on Monday morning detailing the incident. Babbitt was alone in the car, and was cooperative, police said. He was released on personal recognizance, meaning no bail was required.

The police department said Babbitt failed a sobriety test, but they did not release the results of any blood-alcohol test.

On Monday, DOT officials appeared to be caught off-guard when the police department, in accordance with its policies, issued a news release saying Babbitt had been arrested. DOT officials Monday afternoon issued a statement saying that Babbitt had asked for a leave of absence, and it had been granted.

A court date for Babbitt has been set for February 2 in Virginia.

Deputy Administrator Michael Huerta is serving as acting administrator.

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